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    • October 15, 2014 6:10:48 PM PDT
    • ESTJ could be an ant? I dunno

    • October 15, 2014 6:08:36 PM PDT
    • INTJ could be an owl?

    • October 15, 2014 5:58:24 PM PDT
    • ESFP- Otter, Dolphin

    • October 15, 2014 2:02:10 PM PDT
    • Hmmmm from my interactions this is what I would say:

      ENFP- happy go lucky unafazed goldfish

      INFP- very unaware cute puppy

      ENFJ- rattlesnake

      INFJ- badger

      ESTJ- they don't have an animal, animals are cute

      ISTJ- ant

      ESFJ- mandrill, that monkey thing

      ISFJ- leech

      ENTP- a really twisted and distorted unicorn

      INTP- crab who believes its a princess

      ENTJ- scorpion

      INTJ- octopus

      ESTP- raccoon

      ISTP- tamagotchi

      ESFP- gorilla or an orangutan, some kind of ape really

      ISFP- owl, they have a thing for them

    • October 15, 2014 9:31:01 AM PDT
    • I am an animal lover and I think we humans have some sort of animal totem.

      Not literally. Just an animal symbol.

      I believe that the majority of these MBTI types are these animals:

      ISTJ- Beaver, Eagle, or Cougar

      ISFJ- Deer

      INFJ- Wolf, Lion, Dog, or Horse

      INTJ- I have no idea :( maybe Lion, too- not very common, though

      ISTP- Cat

      ISFP- Swan or Cat

      INFP- Swan

      INTP- Owl

      ESTP- I have no idea. Some really hyper animal.

      ESFP- Dog

      ENFP- Dog

      ENTP- Parrot

      ESTJ- Cougar or Eagle

      ESFJ- Dog

      ENFJ- Dog, Lion, or Horse

      ENTJ- Lion, Gorilla, or Tiger


      Don't take this too seriously. This is for fun.

    • September 30, 2014 5:39:17 PM PDT
    • An INTJ doesn't carry out the plans. He was an ENFJ where every little thing is a grand Shakesperian play.

    • September 30, 2014 3:54:10 PM PDT
    • His vision to change the world, was led by his belief. A "Hitler INTJ" would have a similar vision to "Hitler INFJ" but would plan it extensively, but poorly execute it. Whereas INFJ tend to have a balance between strategizing and executing. INFJ tend to be much more convincing and manipulative, whereas an INTJ presentation would seem cold and uninspiring for a plethora of people.

      He was also very pushed on edge, and society rejected him. INTJ tend to cope and make out the best they can. Whereas when an INFJ is really really pushed, they snap and will take aggressive action. Hitler was pushed into starvation, near death, and felt like everyone has left him before he reformed himself.

      Also he was empathetic, and showed a lot of gratitude and respect for individuals that were in high command with him. INFJ are more team oriented, and him and the high command worked in tandem, which INFJ prefers. Whereas INTJ prefers to work by himself, and have others execute ideas.

      When INFJs snap, its horribly horribly not pretty compared to other mbti that snap. These individuals can take extremely aggressive action, while playing the passive nice card.

    • September 30, 2014 1:36:03 PM PDT
    • He was F. The speeches, the rallies, the way he presented himself both publicly and privately point towards F.

    • September 30, 2014 11:59:32 AM PDT
    • I always viewed Hitler as an INTJ.

      Sure, he was emotional and initially an artist, but that does not automatically make you can F.

      So I would love some good explanations for your beliefs of his type.

      Do you believe he was an F or a T?

    • September 28, 2014 10:49:56 PM PDT
    • I failzzz I took it to seriously :p haha

    • September 28, 2014 10:48:25 PM PDT
    • If we use STEREOTYPES and SOME TRENDS, this is what I have observed (taking in famous individuals at least)

      So the problem right off the bat is, is that the sample size is small, its debatable as to what the personality type for some of these individuals are, and sometimes its inappropriate to make casual infrences from anecdotal non-random correlations.

      But I enjoy this, so its for teh LULZ:

      president/prime minster:
      My first pick would probably be ENTJ. These people always think in terms about how to maximize everything possible in the applicable world. They also are known as the most natural-leaders out of all the mbti. They best characterize by planning everything out. A lot of their lives I noticed are constant planning, and that thrills them. They tend to be extremely socially adept and very convincing people.
      Famous examples: Stalin, Napoleon, Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Julius Caesar, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney
      ENFJ can also be attributed here.
      But in general, there have been presidents of almost every mbti if I do believe.

      Athiest:
      INTP/ENTP tend to be some of the types that least likely believe in a diety. These guys form logical premise' and attempt to draw universal conclusions from the data and information that's presented to them. Quite a bit of these guys tend to be logicians, analysists, and philosophers who set a logical framework in approaching questions.
      Examples: Socrates, John Stuart Mill, Voltaire, David Hume, Richard Dawkin, Descartes
      also most of the more controversial/liberal/comedy reporters tend to be ENTP and often make fun of religion: Stephent Colbert, John Stuart, Bill Maher

      Religious:
      INFJ & quite a lot of xSxJs as well
      INFJs tend to be very spiritual and are known as the one of the deepest feelers in the mbti. Thus they find religion as solace and as an outlet for themselves and their religion. They are also visionary in the way they want to change the world. So if the religion that they are in encompasses their view and understanding of the world, that will fuel them even more. INFJs also tend to put religion and immediate family into their closest values most of the time, but ofcourse not for every INFJ.
      examples: Jesus, Hitler
      xSxJs tend to follow discipline and want to fit in with an order in society. There's of course many that don't follow this or don't want to, but generally most do. Many of them are part of their religions because its the "right" thing in their community, and they want to serve that function.

      be in the army:
      ESTJ along with certain xSxP (ommitting ISFP and most likely ISTP, but possibility none-the-less)
      ESTJ are very well at following direct orders and achieving them when it comes to a very practical down to earth setting. Quite a bit of ESTJs have the nickname of "Drill Sargent" Not only that but they excel at it. Most of these individuals get high up in army ranking and management, if the regime of the army works for them.
      Certain xSxPs are also likely to join, simply to find what they are looking for in life, to learn a form of order, they think its exciting, boredom, etc. These types can either progress or digress as any person tentatively could, but they are most likely to join for the above reasons.

      Become a doctor:
      If we are referring to doctor in the medical profession, hmmmm I would be inclined to think every type has an equal chance, simply because the profession entails something of interest for everyone: helping people, achieving a high goal in society, money, respect, etc. etc. But I would be inclined to think xSxJ and xSxP types have a *slightly* higher chance, since they tend to be more proficient at memorizing countless of details whereas xNxJ and xNxP types tend to be greater at learning concepts and ideas quicker. A lot of medical study is memorization based more than actual concept/idea (at least on initiation).

      Promiscous:
      ESFP and some ESTP as well. They tend to be very light hearted individuals who just want to have their share of what they deem fun.
      The ESFP especially tends to be one of the types that utilizes their body well and if wanted to, can excel at manipulation.
      Even though people can give them the label as promiscuous, in their eyes, they look to it as enjoying life and making the most out of every day.

      Prejudiced:
      SORRY GUISE, but I would probably again say xSxJ and xSxP. Many of these individuals, tend to label and think things through with what they deem "object-able" criteria, without allowing other peoples interjections or possibilities as options. They will typically tend to be stubborn in this regard and stick with what they view as traditional and appropriate, even if there are logically and reasonably better alternatives.

      emotionally distant:
      INTP, certain INTJ, hurt INFP and INFJ.
      INTP individuals tend to have schizoid and schizoid-typal personality traits, where they appear distant, non-expressive, and non-emotional. Eventhough ofcourse they have their own deep and personal experiences. That's how many of them carry it. As well as all the INxx personalities I put here, tend to have avoidant personality traits, where almost all/most of these types hate conflict. Emotion and representation of emotion can be viewed as a conflict by these types, so they can appear non-expressive.

      excessively emotional:
      xNFP and some xSFPs in general, usually extroverted. Most of these individuals have Fe, where they have to project how they feel and their emotions to other people. That's how they deal with most of their emotions rather than holding it in (Fi) like xNFJ and xSFJs. The people deemed excessively emotional tend to have dependent personality traits among other traits and potentially disorders.

      Wise:
      this is very broad and can be interpreted SOOOOOOO many different ways. Well in generalized tradition, let's look at it this way:
      xNTx tend to be extremely analytical and have extroverted approaches to dealing with logic and reasoning. Tend to be quite philosophical and mentally potent.
      xNFx tend to be more experience and idea associated with people and humanity. Many tend to be philosophical, but attempt to concentrate on greater ideas constantly.
      xSxP tend to appreciate asthetic beauty, and find ways to enjoy life, even when they see obstacles in their way. They simplify difficulties rather than scrutinize them, and that is wisdom as well.
      xSxJ tend to realize structures of society, and how they can get by and maximize on it faster than other mbti temparments. Tend to get ahead, be very down to earth, and practical.
      If we use the system of IQs (But IQ should not be used as a scale for representation and wisdom. Its more so a scale of how logical and analytic a person is with problem-solving), most of the mbti follow this trend:(highest IQs on avg.) INTJ, INTP, INFJ, INFP, ENTJ, ENTP, ENFJ, ENFP, ISTJ, ISTP, ISFJ, ISFP, ESTJ, ESTP, ESFJ, ESFP (lowest)

      Be shy:
      ISFP, INFP, INFJ and to a lesser degree INTx and ISTx
      Most of these guys create inner worlds where they live their life in their heads. Sometimes the transition between thought and expression is difficult for these individuals, and they cannot necessarily express themselves with words at time, or find ways to describe their emotions adequately. Most people find these individuals aloof. These guys also tend to sometimes feel that communication can be conflicting in scenarios, thus giving the appearance of a shy person.

      Simple-minded:
      ESFP/ESTP sometimes along with ISFJ/ESFJ. The latter tend to be very practical, and for the most part down to earth people who focus on concerns pertaining to them or what they set up as a fundamental structure of perceiving the world. The prior is similar in this regard, but they focus on their enjoyment of utilizing life, rather than following a fundamental structure. This makes some of them often seem simple-minded or YOLO LULZ individuals.

    • September 28, 2014 9:34:58 PM PDT
    • Don't take these so seriously.

      Just because there are many of a certain type that has this trait, that does not mean that all of them have that trait.

      Ok, here we go.

      Which MBTI is most likely to...

      Be president/prime minister?

      Be atheist?

      Be religious?

      Be in the army?

      Be a doctor?

      Be promiscuous?

      Be prejudiced?

      Be emotionally distant?

      Be excessively emotional?

      Be wise?

      Be shy?

      Be a bit simple-minded?



      Once again, this is not supposed to be taken very seriously.

    • September 8, 2014 1:27:39 AM PDT
    • It's been a while since the original post was made, but I enjoyed coming back to it. Thanks for your thoughts, Waywardraven and MattD. At the time I made the post I was experiencing for the first time a kind of conflict with extroversion, where I was being challenged for being an introvert...quite strange when I look back on it now, but it allowed for some good self-reflection and made me more aware of the fact that- if ya don't express it, no-one knows what's going on in your head.

      I enjoy the fact that it is infjs and intps in this thread. hehe. I think there is a similarity in these types. I agree that it is sexy to experience the introvert taking some kind of lead and that openness with one another is what matters. Thanks for the interesting information, Matt- a bit of an education there, actually. It's quite cool to explore how these historical categories all interconnect.

    • September 7, 2014 10:01:00 PM PDT
    • I was definitely excessively shy in high school. I have changed, though. I can get along with extroverts and introverts alike. It seems that extroverts process social information through the reference point of outer space and introverts process social information through the reference point of inner space. Everyone has outer and inner consciousness. It is common that one predominates the other, though. My mother was an E and my father is an I. I certainly took their differences in stride as a kid. I'm still an introvert but have developed better coping skills and awareness of the need to interact and respond to extroverts' perpetual checking-in-ness. A catch phrase I heard somewhere is keep your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds.
      I think of the ancient Greeks occasionally. Supposedly the environment for agriculture and herd-raising in ancient Greece was volcanic and austere. This possibly may have caused the early unions of the tribes as it were. Farmers could better reap their harvests when teamed up with other farmers et cetera.
      -- Sheep herding was commonplace. Sheep eat the roots so they needed to move on frequently. The cattle herders would compete with them. And thus socially agreed-upon laws to protect the interests of many parties were needed. First they were Minoans, following the deity of a carnivorous minotaur. Later the ancient Greeks had leisure time and delved into Hermetic (Egyptian Thoth) magic and mathematics following the paradigm or model of the earlier ancient Egyptian civilization. Hermes focused on magic, merchants, commerce and writing and laid the foundation for Greek civilization. The later deities of Apollo, Epimethius, Promethius and Dionysius (who was importantly known for wine) would be the grounds for later Keirsey and Myers-Briggs temperaments of NF, SJ, NT and SP. Also known as Dolphin, Beaver, Owl and Fox. Phlegmatic, Sanguine, Melancholy and Choleric are old ways of looking at these ancient Greek theatrical temperaments. These would elaborated upon by Sophocles in his plays Oedipus Rex and Antigone. Aeschylus wrote Prometheus Bound and others. (Prometheus Unbound would later be penned by Shelley.) -- [thanks in this section to my room-mate, R. Dean.]
      I am more geometrical than algebraic in my way of processing social and conceptual information. This follows the tradition of Pythagoras who is still known for writing A^2+B^2=C^2 and would inspire the later permutations of the hypotenuse of a triangle. The finding of the hypotenuse of a triangle can be a religious experience in itself. This also be the case for the diameter and area of a circle and the volume, mass and weight of cylinders within cylinders.
      I finally got through Algebra after several attempts but it is tough-going for me. Anyways, I digress, it is a stretch to say extroverts in their outer space are more algebraic and introverts in their inner space are more geometric. This would be an interesting topic for research...

    • September 1, 2014 4:07:12 PM PDT
    • Like kmaco, I am a gregarious introvert. I wonder if there is something about the INTP type where we can get quite sociable once the conversation shifts to a topic that catches our interest. I totally agree that I would find it sexy if my partner recognized or appreciated my discomfort in taking the lead socially. I would also say that there are extroverted women out there who think they are doing an introverted man a social favor by letting him take the lead. This breeds quite a bit of resentment as each of us fight our inner natures by taking up the gender role society has ordained for us.

      Personally, I think I would be most attracted to another open introvert like myself. The main warning sign would be excessive shyness which is a problem regardless of intraversion - yes there are shy extroverts out there who are too afraid to seek the attention they want. I don't find extroverts to be annoying so much as too superficial, self-absorbed, and consumed with their own social lives to play any role in my own life. Introverted intuitives (like all of us) on the other hand always seem to bring something interesting to a conversation or a relationship.

    • September 5, 2014 10:42:01 AM PDT
    • The following, 'The Big and Sacred Work', is the final section in the last chapter, 'Becoming Whole', of the book "Jung's Compass of Psychological Types" by James Graham Johnston. The book gives a comprehensive introduction and overview to the functions of consciousness ("psychological types"), quoting from Carl Jung (the originator of the theory), and also has a basic introduction to Analytical Psychology - grounding the types theory from where it came. One of the the central tenets, if not the central tenet, in Analytical Psychology is individuation (i.e. personality growth/development, etc.) and I felt the author's final words were a solid goodbye and happy travels in your own journey in life.


      "The Big and Sacred Work
      'The glory of God is the human person fully aware.' - Irenaeus of Lyons

      We humans are trapped precariously within an existential dilemma. We are delivered unannounced into a world from seeming darkness and perish into darkness in a comparative instant of time. From dust we come and to dust we return. In between we may pretend to have control, to know what we are doing or where we are going, but we are groping our way through sheer mystery.

      We may try to stay 'present' to the moment, yet there is no moment we could define as 'present.' The very instant a future moment becomes the present moment it is lost as a past memory. There is no tangible moment to which we might stay present. We may exist in the infinitesimally thin silver of time that separates past from prologue.

      Everything about us is in the constant flux. None of the cells of our bodies remains with us. Each passes away, replaced by an intelligent and autonomous duplicate. The body we have in this moment is not the same body we have in the next moment. Our transport vehicle perpetually replaces itself with another one.

      We experience life as though caught between two holograms. Outwardly, we perceive only the perceptible facade of what is truly there. Whatever it is, it is not what we think it is. We know only what we have been given to know. All else is concealed from our understanding. We might perceive the effects of gravity, but gravity itself is a mystery to us. We can perceive the dazzling starry galaxies in the night sky, but what we see may have been annihilated long before the dawn of our civilization; we will not know for a few million years.

      We know nothing of the massive and enigmatic dark matter and dark energy that comprise far more of the night sky than we are able to see. Beyond what we can perceive and what we know must be there, we have no capacity for knowing what else might be present.

      Inwardly, we are given dreams, visions, images, thoughts, aspirations, passions and conflicts. They too only represent a small fraction of the life beneath the surface of consciousness, and we only apprehend those images according to predetermined perceptual frameworks.

      Such is our condition. We have one brief shining moment in time in which to understand and relate to the mystery of life. Many of us gloss over that mystery as we go about our busy and egocentric lives seeking to be more pleased than displeased.

      We are the 'top animal exiled on a tiny speck of a planet in the Milky Way.' The evolutionary descent of man from primordial sludge to the human animal may account for the history of biological form, but it does not account for the exponential leap in self-awareness, thought, religious urge, humor, or social conscience. What separates man from the cavalcade of evolutionary life? Personality.

      No other species on our planet seems equipped with our consciousness of consciousness. We have no one here, other than ourselves, to discuss our personal condition. None of the living creatures in our world are intentionally building faith communities, creating constitutional laws, or probing epistemology. We have no one here from whom we might understand the nature and purpose of this life.

      'That is the reason he does not know himself; he is cosmically isolated. He only can state with certainty that he is no monkey, no bird, no fish and no tree. But what he positively is, remains obscure (Serrano, 1968, p. 84).'

      We live in utter mystery. We may avoid our inquiry of that mystery, for the answers to our honest pursuit might appear too dangerous, too fearsome, or too unnerving. It is easier to simply adapt to the way of the herd, to look to answers given by others and accept them. Yet in choosing the way of the herd, we know that something dies within us. We join the 'mass of men,' as Thoreau observed, living in 'quiet desperation.'

      'The more you cling to that which all the world desires, the more you are Everyman, who has not yet discovered himself and stumbles through the world like a blind man leading the blind with somnambulistic certainty into the ditch (CW 14, paragraph 192).'

      The alternative to the way of the herd is the way of individuation - the way that calls to us from unconscious depths. It is the long, slow way - neither easy nor expedient. Yet it is the way to the center where we may gain the certainties of the soul and the satisfaction of a life well lived.

      'But in the end, the hero, the leader, the savior, is one who discovers a new way to greater certainty. Everything could be left undisturbed did not the new way demand to be discovered, and did it not visit humanity with all the plagues of Egypt until it finally is discovered. The undiscovered vein within us is a living part of the psychic; classical Chinese philosophy names this interior way 'Tao,' and likens it to a flow of water that moves irresistibly towards its goals. To rest in Tao means fulfillment, wholeness, one's destination reached, one's mission done; the beginning, end, and perfect realization of the meaning of existence innate in all things. Personality is Tao (CW 17, paragraph 323).'

      We are endowed with a yearning to be part of something big and sacred. We may travel the world in search of acclaim or notoriety. We may devote our lives to certain causes and ambitions. Yet, this outward contribution to civilization 'will not be great or good, if the inward one is small or of little worth.' Our greatest contribution will issue from pursuing that individuated way that is ours and ours alone to live.

      The individual way is the big and sacred work that is given to each of us. If we wish to create something of enduring significance in the universe during our short sojourn in this world, we may find that eternally enduring significance in the individual that destiny calls us to become.

      'I am neither spurred on by excessive optimism nor in love with high ideals, but am merely concerned with that fate of the individual human being - that infinitesimal unit on whom a world depends, and in whom, if we read the meaning of the Christian message alright, even God seeks his goal (CW 10, paragraph 113).'" - pages 274-277


      I love that third to last paragraph, "We are endowed ...", though one could just as easily call my resonance with it and the belief being promoted by the author as an introverted bias.

    • September 5, 2014 9:05:22 AM PDT
    • Yeah, I agree. I like Jung's insight too, that's one of the reasons I bothered sharing it here. I like your assessment about how your personality has changed over time as well as how that might have a physiological basis; but, then you also bring it back to everyday things in your life like music, art, and writing. Well said.

      I've only really read one Joseph Campbell book ("Pathways to Bliss: Mythology and Personal Transformations") but it and he made a good impression. I loved how in the book you got a sort of outside-laymen's terms perspective on how Freud and Jung relate to one another and how all that stuff really developed and progressed. Campbell's comments relating introversion to power and extraversion to, the nebulous concept of, eros were also particularly interesting to read. I think he even gave you a basic introduction to Analytical Psychology - talk about hitting several different bases. Lol.

    • September 4, 2014 10:42:57 PM PDT
    • I like it! I have different Jung books but this one is good too. Joseph Campbell also spoke in depth about the collective unconscious, symbolism and differences in the interpretation and designation of significance to external stimuli. I appreciate the observation by Jung that a person paints or molds his psyche in a malleable process over time. I am sure that my psyche has changed due to internal and external elements over the years. As I wrote elsewhere I am definitely more "J" and less "P" than I used to be. Certainly it indicates, among other things, a structural change. That is to say the physical, anatomical pathways of my brain have changed and hence I process and evaluate social interactions and events differently...certainly more dynamically and assertively than before. I continue to enjoy observing and participating in musical, literary and artistic movements or genres, be they post-modernist, integral or post-integral. I know that post-modernism has a strong focus on reiterating and reviving separate, previous genres of art into newer pieces with deeper meaning. To me integral and post-integral art has just begun to gain in popularity. Some have called this turquoise thinking or violet/coral thinking from the spiral dynamics consciousness chart or chakras. Music (especially but not limited to electronic music) is really progressing. I'm certainly more accustomed to Progressive Electronica and Psy/Goa Trance. I'm still acquiring a taste for the more down-to-earth Dub-step music. This is also true for new literature in various genres. Suffice it to say I enjoy monitoring and sometimes contributing to these fine arts because they help to keep a rapport with popular and underground culture. The acts of observing and participating are a link to Jung's collective unconscious and a sampling of the diffused and different ways that individual minds interpret and process the same socio-cultural stimuli.

    • September 1, 2014 2:34:34 PM PDT
    • I'm not sure how I feel about Jung's comments about people in their first half of life indiscriminately developing their will - I agree and yet I have my reservations though they could very well just be resistances to life itself. I've always considered Jung to be an introverted intuitive type (by his own admission and other evidence) but lately I've been finding more evidence and admissions of his own kind that he's an introverted thinking type ... so maybe I really am better off taking his advice. Either way, I like the comments about the false-absolute status of consciousness.

      FYI. Active Imagination is a term and technique in Analytical Psychology that has one actively engage and interact with their fantasies and the like.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination#Carl_Gustav_Jung

      The following passages are from the section 'The aims of psychotherapy' in the book "The Practice of Psychotherapy" (Collected Works of C.G. Jung, Volume 16); I'm reading and quoting it excerpted from the book "Jung on Active Imagination" by Joan Chodorow - a great introduction to the topic.


      "The patient can make himself creatively independent through this method [active imagination], if I may call it such. He is no longer dependent on his dreams or on his doctor's knowledge; instead, by painting himself he gives shape to himself. For what he paints are active fantasies - that which is active within him. And that which is active within is himself, but no longer in the guise of his previous error, which he mistook the personal ego for the [S]elf; it is himself in a new and hitherto alien sense, for his ego now appears as the object of that which works within him. In countless pictures he strives to catch this interior agent, only to discover in the end that it is eternally unknown and alien, the hidden foundation of psychic life.

      It is impossible for me to describe the extent to which this discovery changes the patient's standpoint and values, and how it shifts the centre of gravity of his personality. It is as though the earth had suddenly discovered that the sun was the centre of the planetary orbits and of its own earthly orbit as well.

      But have we not always known this to be so? I myself believe that we have always known it. But I may know something with my head which the other man in me is far from knowing, for indeed and in truth I live as though I did know it. Most my patients knew the deeper truth, but did not live it. And why did they not live it? Because of that bias which makes us all live form the ego, a bias which comes from overvaluation of the conscious mind.

      It is of the greatest importance for the young person, who is still unadapted and has as yet achieved nothing, to shape his conscious ego as effectively as possible, that is, to educate his will. Unless he is a positive genius he cannot, indeed he should not, believe in anything active within him that is not identical with his will. He must feel himself a man of will, and may safely depreciate everything else in him and deem it subject to his will, for without this illusion he could not succeed in adapting himself socially.

      It is otherwise with a person in the second half of life who no longer needs to educate his conscious will, but who, to understand the meaning of his individual life, needs to experience his own inner being. Social usefulness is no longer an aim for him, although he does not deny its desirability. Fully aware as he is of the social unimportance of his creative activity, he feels it more a way of working at himself to his own benefit. Increasingly, too, this activity frees him from morbid dependence, and he thus acquires an inner stability and a new trust in himself. These last achievements now redound to the good of the patient's social existence; for an inwardly stable and self-confident person will prove more adequate to his social tasks than one who is on a bad footing with his unconscious.

      I have purposely avoided loading my lecture with theory, hence much must remain obscure and unexplained. But, in order to make the pictures produced by my patients intelligible, certain theoretical points must at least receive mention. A feature common to all these pictures is a primitive symbolism which is conspicuous both in the drawing and in the colouring. The colours are as a rule quite barbaric in their intensity. Often an unmistakable archaic quality is present. These peculiarities point to the nature of the underlying creative forces. They are irrational, symbolistic currents that run through the whole history of mankind, and are so archaic in character that it is not difficult to find their parallels in archaeology and comparative religion. We may therefore take it that our pictures spring chiefly from those regions of the psyche which I have termed the collective unconscious. By this I understand an unconscious psychic functioning common to all men, the source not only of our modern symbolical pictures but of all similar products in the past. Such pictures spring from, and satisfy, a natural need. It is as if a part of the psyche that reaches far back into primitive past were expressing itself in these pictures and finding it possible to function in harmony with our alien conscious mind. This collaboration satisfies and this mitigates the psyche's disturbing demands upon the latter. It must, however, be added that the mere execution of the picture is not enough. Over and above that, an intellectual and emotional understanding is needed; they require to be not only rationally integrated with the conscious mind, but morally assimilated. They still have to be subjected to a work of synthetic interpretation. Although I have traveled this path with individual patients many times, I have never yet succeeded in making all the details of the process clear enough for publication.^Ft.6 So far this has been fragmentary only. The truth is, we are here moving in absolutely new territory, and a ripening of experience is the first requisite. For very important reasons I am anxious to avoid hasty conclusions. We are dealing with a process of psychic life outside consciousness, and our observation of it is indirect. As yet we do not know to what depths our vision will plumb. It would seem to be some kind of centring process what we call the ego appears to take up a peripheral position. The change is apparently brought about by an emergence of the historical part of the psyche. Exactly what is the purpose of this process remains at first sight obscure. We can only remark its important effect on the conscious personality. From the fact that the change heightens the feeling for life and maintains the flow of life, we must conclude that it is animated by a peculiar purposefulness. We might perhaps call this a new illusion. But what is 'illusion'? By what criterion do we judge something to be an illusion? What we are pleased to call illusion may be fore the psyche an extremely important life-factor, something as indispensable as oxygen for the body - a psychic actuality of overwhelming significance. Presumably the psyche does not trouble itself about our categories of reality; for it, everything that works is real. The investigator of the psyche must not confuse it with his consciousness, else he veils from his sight the object of his investigation. On the contrary, to recognize it at all, he must learn to see how different it is from consciousness. Nothing is more probable than that what we call illusion is very real for the psyche - for which reason we cannot take psychic reality to be commensurable with conscious reality. To the psychologist there is nothing more fatuous than the attitude of the missionary who pronounces the gods of the 'poor heathen' to be mere illusion. Unfortunately we still go blundering along in the same dogmatic way, as though our so-called reality were not equally full of illusion. In psychic life, as everywhere in our experience, all things that work are reality, regardless of the names man chooses to bestow on them. To take these realities for what they are - spirit is no less spirit for being named sexuality.

      I must repeat that these designations and the changes rung upon them never even remotely touch the essence of the process we have described. If cannot be compassed by the rational concepts of the conscious mind, any more than life itself; and it is for this reason that my patients more adequate and effective course.

      With this I have said pretty well everything I can say about my therapeutic aims and intentions within the broad framework of a lecture. It can be no more than an incentive to thought, and I shall be quite content if such it has been." - pages 94-96

      Ft (Footnote) 6: This has since been remedied. Cf. 'A Study in the Process of Individuation.' [Also cf. Psychology and Alchemy (CW12) Part II. - Editors.]

    • August 21, 2014 6:19:41 PM PDT
    • For all you psychological type enthusiasts, here's a quote from the guy (C.G. Jung) who put together this theory.

      "Continual conscious realization of unconscious fantasies [i.e. using 'active imagination' to explore your inner reality], together with active participation in the fantastic events, has, as I have witnessed in a very large number of cases, the effect firstly of extending the conscious horizon by the inclusion of numerous unconscious contents; secondly of gradually diminishing the dominant influence of the unconscious; and thirdly of bringing about a change of personality.

      This change of personality is naturally not an alteration of the original hereditary disposition, but rather a transformation of the general attitude. Those sharp cleavages and antagonisms between conscious and unconscious, such as we see so clearly in the endless conflicts of neurotic natures, nearly always rest on a noticeable one-sidedness of the conscious attitude, which gives absolute precedence to one or two functions, while the others are unjustly thrust into the background. Conscious realization and experience of fantasies assimilates the unconscious inferior functions to the conscious mind - a process which is naturally not without far-reaching effects on the conscious attitude."

      - paragraphs 358-359, 'The relations between the ego and the unconscious', in [the book] "Two Essays on Analytical Psychology", Carl G. Jung (chapter excerpted in the book "Jung on Active Imagination" by Joan Chodorow)

    • August 12, 2014 10:23:25 PM PDT
    • I like learning, research, reading and writing. They are ways of processing the masses of information that emerge from the world on a daily basis. Whether working or elsewhere I find it therapeutic to be active and busy.

    • August 1, 2014 8:41:47 PM PDT
    • I'm weary of having to sign up an account on random webpages or I be more inclined to take the test.

    • July 29, 2014 7:01:17 AM PDT
    • I agree, the "love of learning" strength is rare. Which I guess is the reason to why one so often gets weird looks when one sits with a book in the natural sciences, reading it for fun.
      I wonder to what degree the character strengths correlate with the Myer & Briggs personality types. Would be fun to find out :)
      Maybe, lets say, love of learning, is a strength that is more probable to show up in personality types with "N" and mabe the probability increases with the combination of "N" and "T".

    • July 28, 2014 10:20:17 PM PDT
    • I guess it isn't a small world after all! Interesting indeed; I feel like I have to meet 250+ people before I encounter who says they love to learn and do it for its own sake.

    • July 28, 2014 3:32:38 PM PDT
    • I was happy to see that you had made a post about the VIA character strengths!
      And then I was even more happy to see that there is someone in the world who shares the exact combination of character strengths with me. Thought I was the onlyone in the world :)
      interesting!