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    • August 15, 2016 1:17:41 AM PDT
    • When you know how to make a million, but don't bother to do anything about it

      When you're the only one in a meeting poiting out the big pink elephant in the room

      When you have great travel plans in your head, but still ends up in some shady hostel due to lack of actual planning

      When you just don't get why nobody ever tells each other that they have bad breath

    • August 12, 2016 1:19:42 PM PDT
    • Lol it's like reading my own thoughts yes thank you lol

    • December 27, 2015 9:53:00 PM PST
    • When you've known how obsolete the education system in your country is from a young age

      When your usually, kinda sorta, not to step on anyones feelings, most of the time, always, right. But seriously.

    • December 18, 2015 4:42:40 AM PST
    • when you have the most amazing world changing ideas...

      when you have a business idea which can make you a billionaire but you would rather sit there thinking i found the solution lets move on to the next problem.

      when you are repeatedly told to get your act together

      when you can impress any girl if you wanted with your charm (infjs fall for that shit often)

      when life is amazing even without drugs or alcohol, your still high 24x7

      when you have lots of friends and have the most amazing life :)

    • November 29, 2015 5:28:29 PM PST
    • You're called lazy for being so efficient :v
      You attempt to make the wheel rounder :v
      You wear mismatched socks on purpose :v
      You're asked what drugs you're on when you've had too much coffee :v

    • September 9, 2015 12:39:43 AM PDT
    • -When you stare over the crowd of your friends and consider your empire a success.
      -When you drink beer for the taste, -not to get drunk.
      -When you flirt with a girl, and when she wants to fuck you become surprised it worked.
      -When you try and think of something nice to say that won't come off as cheesy after sex, to console this stranger in your bed.
      -When you wish she would leave so you can get back to the after party and drink more beer.
      -When every second day, you are having a midlife crisis.
      -When you clear your schedule for half price sushi on Wednesdays.
      -When you clear your Tuesday schedule for Wednesday half price sushi.
      -When you have no schedule to clear, but you pretend you have one.

    • August 2, 2015 10:28:36 AM PDT
    • Lol, so true!

    • August 12, 2016 12:53:30 PM PDT
    • Dude your type isn't a mood but ignoring that I typically try to avoid lying not so much because it's wrong but because it's..umm.. see the thing is I like to manipulate people(F with their heads) just to see if I can for fun not evil and lying would just be breaking the rules(cheating) I have for myself so that I don't become a monster. Hard to say that without sounding like a sociopath...but meh..

    • June 29, 2015 7:15:18 PM PDT
    • why did I say "lye"??? I'm a freakin' English teacher! must've been really tired that night...:(

    • June 26, 2015 11:20:54 PM PDT
    • The news is an awful show and shouldn't be watched. But I feel like you just threw a red herring that doesn't really have to do with the point I was hoping to make.

      Is this post saying being passive aggressive and an asshole is a distinct part of what an ENTP is? And that not being an asshole is not being you?
      Because that shouldn't be a problem for people that can communicate well.

    • June 26, 2015 2:30:34 AM PDT
    • ambivert92165 said:
      "My thinking is that, as an ENTP, I CANNOT STAND liars! Or lying. I don't lye, I don't like others to lye to me. I don't like half truths, or mis-communicate deliberately hiding the truth. I am a sceptic. But, I believe people. Until they prove otherwise worthy of my trust..." Love this--very true of me, too. I'm very direct, straight-forward, and honest--and I just assume everyone else is, too. NOT! Boy, have I been burned as a result! :(

      @ambivert... So how do you as an ENTP/INTP handle life when there are so many things you notice, can and want to improve (in yourself, others, life situations)? Do you adapt your personality to each situation? Are we lying when we bite our tongue when someone asks "are you ok? Anything to say?"?

    • June 26, 2015 2:26:56 AM PDT
    • @Rashe
      I know that I'm upset about abything. I'm posing the question whther lying is a necessary evil that we ENTPs must do in order to get what we want. Not in a manipulative way, but the changes in both ourselves and our surroundings. I guess I do feel a little "upset" that we must be almost "a different type" in order to function as OUR type to its full potential - ie making positive changes at work, making more compromises within relationships because we see/foresee stuff and know the other person will "be" a particular way, so we choose a different way in order to have harmony, synergy, etc. Its almost like, by the time we ENTPs finish maturing, we will no longer be ENTP, but opperate over multi-types for the good of mankind (sorry, that sounds a bit epic just can't be bothered to think of another way to put it right now).

      With regards to what the news says...I don't watch the news. The news is for people who don't know how to find out stuff for themselves. They spoon-feed whatever will sell and promote discussion among the masses. Its a product after all which TV networks and newspapers all vying for your coin. It generally contains no investigative journalism anymore. Just my view. The whole world is full of bad shit, sad shit, and just shit We know that already. Good news appears to only come in the form of what's happening in sports and the lives of celebrities 99.9% of the time. That is not news for me. I know others will disagree and I'm ok with that.

    • June 26, 2015 1:10:47 AM PDT
    • Did you ever hear about the functions? It really expands the MBTI experience. And is great for solidifying what type you are and for being more aware of your own thoughts and why you have conflicts with people. ENTP is Ne-Ti-Fe-Si. This is my favorite video series for explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wAlL99vDn4

      I'm curious about what you're actually upset about.
      We can't easily appreciate double-checking or redundancy. We get bored and disengaged with school because of how much review and work for the sake of work there is. Most meetings are just about going over things, right?

      I think comparing holding your tongue to lying or being inauthentic sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. It's close but maybe there were better words. You want something to be different, but you don't want to be an asshole more. Which would make people think less of you and not be effective. It'd be inauthentic to me to yell at your girlfriend in that example. You don't actually hate her or want to blame her, do you? But it's also not authentic or a good idea, Things weren't fine. "I missed you these past 20 minutes." "Aww. BB. I'll make it up to you."
      It's always helpful to learn how to communicate your thoughts and feelings to people. If you can feel more comfortable knowing you won't hurt anyone's feeling or make them ignore you, you can feel comfortable saying anything. I've found it helps to ask questions in a non-judgmental tone and not to disagree with people right away, or make them feel like they're wrong. Maybe entertain the possibility that you could be wrong while you're speaking. But if you have something to contribute that someone else will appreciate, you should.

      "What were your thoughts on that news article saying MBTI was unscientific?" > "MBTI is full of shit."

      I've seen How to Talk So Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk
      and How To Win Friends and Influence People
      recommended a lot, and I'd recommend them too.

    • June 25, 2015 9:23:00 PM PDT
    • "My thinking is that, as an ENTP, I CANNOT STAND liars! Or lying. I don't lye, I don't like others to lye to me. I don't like half truths, or mis-communicate deliberately hiding the truth. I am a sceptic. But, I believe people. Until they prove otherwise worthy of my trust..." Love this--very true of me, too. I'm very direct, straight-forward, and honest--and I just assume everyone else is, too. NOT! Boy, have I been burned as a result! :(

    • June 25, 2015 3:35:08 AM PDT
    • (Firstly, this is ONE thought and I just ran with it. There are other angles. My case is not complete. There's more. In your responses, lets get to somewhere positive. I know its hard for us but try please. I say that because there are some people who are REALLY struggling with life. Some have had it REALLY hard. We have answers to a lot of things. Help and we could be helping people but just looking into this ONE thought I had. Well, others probably have had it its just I'm writing it here as its new FOR ME. I have not re-read or edited it. There are typos and incomplete arguments). You've been warned. It is messy. Read at your peril.

      I want to start this new thread for the sole purpose of getting feedback from other ENTPs. Now, if you're not ENTP, please, feel free to pitch in, give you views, opinions, based on fact or otherwise. Just know, that SOMETIMES, there might be an ENTP out there who will come down hard on your post (not you, the individual, just what you said or how your "thinking was wrong, illogical" etc etc).

      Now, I don't class myself, and my VARIOUS test results have shown also, as a pure ENTP. I am also INTP I'm also ESTP, I am whatever I am at the time I take the test. All over the span of a few days, not months of maturity, or what have! Anyhow, moving on.

      With that in mind, and meeting (on here anyhow) a few ENTPs, and learning and meeting other "types", its dawned on me, that there are times when we, ENTPs mke an extra effort to gel, get along, keep the peace, protect other people's feelings, etc,etc. Basically, not be ourselves. Now. Hear me. If you have matured (as I am trying to do, and heave done to a huge extent, and that is why, I personally think, I am getting different test scores), then this is not really for you to consider, but your views on HOW you matured are welcome.

      My thinking is that, as an ENTP, I CANNOT STAND liars! Or lying. I don't lye, I don't like others to lye to me. I don't like half truths, or mis-communicate deliberately hiding the truth. I am a sceptic. But, I believe people. Until they prove otherwise worthy of my trust (which, unfortunately is usually pretty quickly from the first time they said "they are on route!", when they haven't even gotten into the shower, let along driving down the road to our rendez-vous. Liar! (haha).

      This leads me to my current dilema.

      When we as ENTPs bite our toungue, whih we invariably do A LOT in we are employees, and as employers otherwise we might/would have law suits on our hands left right and centre, are we in fact lying. We are choosing to act incongruous with what we determine as absolute truth. We are not being ourselves (usually for the sake of other people, not because we give a shit what people will think about us, or not losing friends, lovers, etc, etc). Its for the sake of the WHOLE, that we choose to, for want of a better phrase, "mature" (ie, change) into something that is beneficial to both ourselves, but more importantly, our relationships/society. We are the ones who point out the flaws. We are the risk takers without the crazy irresponsibility behind us. We are the intuitive, forward thinking, bright sparks that know, somehow, that there is a better way to do things. We are the catalyst for change. Yes, other types can do it. Its just we DO do it. Almost without trying or thinking about it (I mean planning to do it, it just rises up in us from nowhere).
      Yes, we are objective, yes we see trends, patterns, etc. But, we focus on "its not working, lets change something". We look to the future, not the past. Well, maybe we all go about it differently.

      What I'm trying to say is that a lie is a lie. Period. But, and in true ENTP form, the facts need interpretation. For me, its usually not the lie itself that is the problem, its the fact you lied. That is a personal thing to me - you didn't trust me with the truth. Or respect me. or whatever. You put yourself before me and lied to get what you wanted without even COMMUNICATING (another pet peev of mine). If you'd have communicated, I could have gone with it. You assumed I would have "X" reaction/response, so lied to avoid that. Its kindof circular in that the liar lied to get themselves out of a situation with an ENTP only not be so, forgive me now, "stupid" to not realise they would be digging another one for themselves. They did it all. Pointless.

      Now, as an imature ENTP I will argue tooth and nail why what they did was "bang out of order". Or "wrong", for those of you not from these parts! Round and round it goes. One personality type trying to convince the other they were wrong, etc etc, boring boring. Well, now its boring to me when its the SAME person, or type of people, again and again. I like an argument, but I also like to WIN the argument. Winning for me is knowing that the other person KNOWS (not admits) they are wrong. And, as an ENTP, "I KNOW", when they know. We just know stuff. Am I right?

      So coming back to it, I have a choice now as I seek to "moniotr and control" my natural ENTP response. Do I let it go? Let them lie and not say anything? Show calm even though I'm raging inside? Surely yes! For growth, to reduce stress, to be happy in more than the instant gratification of "blowing up" and arguing, and winning. Can I bare losing? Can I live with not being in control? Not being in control of other people, I mean, being someone elses punching bag, or being taken advantage of because I CHOOSE not to stand my ground or fight my cause, or whatever else way you justify your ENTP behaviour.
      Growth surely is the process of change. Change for an ENTP I think, is VERY VERY tricky. Other types have it down-right hard!! Yes, its hard for them because of society, life, feelings of already being "out of control". Man, they have it HARD!

      I like to think we ENTPs have a CHOICE! Not because we are "all that", though we clearly are. haha. But seriously, we are.

      We can choose to be "something we are not" in order to get what we want, or make things better, or imrove ourselves and others, etc. So we lie. We lie when our boss says "does anyone have anything to ad?". OF COURSE WE DO!!! We can turn the whole organisation on its head and make a few more %age profit!! Of course we do!! We could fire, X, Y Z employee and get a better return on our sales figures!! Of course we do!!! We could....we could... we could... (ad infinitum).

      You get the picture. And that's just ONE meeting. ONE!

      One!

      So we lie. We keep our hand down. Smile. Keep the peace.
      In relationships in has to be the same way. "Honey, is everything ok?". Answer. "NO! I missed my squash meet because you were 20mins late and I could have changed the time but you said you were on route, and there was no traffic, but you lied". Real answer. "Yeah. I have some things on my mind, but I'm ok". Which is true. But you are actually WORKING on being ok, cause you are actually pissed off. This is not the first, second or third time. Or the twentieth time this EXACT scenario has happened. Its just you oh dear ENTP, have FINALLY, decided you WILL NOT win with this person. YOU must change or leave. Sometimes we can't leave. Yes, we detach emothionally but we can't physically leave. Or we can leave them, but must still interact with them ALL THE TIME. Eg, at work, or because of kids, or shared relations (by marriage not because we married our cousins, or whatever people decide to do!?!?). You get my point. We adapt!!

      So I'm learning to lie. I don't like it but I'm trying. I;m experimenting with lying for the sake of lying. Kind of like, "if I can do it when it doen'tmean anything to anyone, then I can learn what it means to LIVE WITH MY LIE (or rather live with the fact I lied, when I hate lying!) so when I am in a situation that DEMANDS me NOT to be my true ENTP, take me as I am, blah blah blah, I am better able to do what needs to be done. We will hurt people along the way. We will hurt ourselve. They probably would've been hurt in a different way by us offending them, or whatever but at least now we are CHOOSING to try something as see if it is a BETTER way. That is what we do after all. Yes, I want the change to occur for the company. Yes I want to move forward in my relationship. But I am smart enough to know when I, yes, me, am the only who can get this thing working, and to do, I need to be "all things to all men".

      We can do it. If anyone can look at a lie and convince the world its a good thing, its us ENTPS. If anyone can go so far off the beaten track in order to find our way back to it its US. The question is...can we be bothered! I for one am trying to determine whether I can or not. And yes, in true ENTP style, I may do it for a while and get bored, then go bak to being me again. Hahahaha. Poor ENTPs!!
      Thanks for reading. Please respond.
      David

    • June 6, 2016 8:13:12 AM PDT
    • Sort of. I had a mostly online relationship with a fellow INFJ that resulted in some insanely hot sex and a curiously enduring friendship. As a relationship, it wasn't feasible longterm due to life circumstances that I won't bother detailing. Also, I don't think we provide what the other needs in an LTR. 0 surprise there.

      But *really* getting to know the male version of me in many ways was an absolutely fascinating mindfuck and I doubt anyone else understands me better even while they may may know me better.

      Very cool.

    • March 18, 2016 7:55:15 PM PDT
    • I met my first deeply infj friend at my friend's birthday party at a red lobster. I saw him standing in the corner to himself just taking in the emotions of all the people around him. I approached him and he immediately started a conversation about philosophy seeing that I was wearing a theology shirt. I don't even remember saying hi to the birthday girl because we had the most amazing first unintentional brodate. We sat in the middle of the part completely bifurcating the conversation in our own bubble. At the end of the meal I told him he is coming to Korea with me and I am hiring him to my academy. The next day it happened and we spent a whole year in Korea living it up. I have never had such a chemistry with any other person in my life. I can talk about this forever but as an ENTP I would rather communicate in person because typing is tedious.

    • December 18, 2015 4:45:02 AM PST
    • 20 secs have passed.....
      we are the most funny natural time of the mbti...

      we are natural lawyer and we can talk BS and make a way out of any trouble we get into.

      we can make believe anyone anything we want them to believe....

      we are the most argumentative people but with a clear conscience at heart :)

    • September 8, 2015 11:57:28 PM PDT
    • We are the badass of the MBTI. Cool, casual triple threat, sipping on a beer and smoking a cigarette.

      We own the night.

    • December 16, 2015 10:57:45 AM PST
    • Entp and open for questions!

    • December 7, 2015 2:21:17 PM PST
    • Have very deep INFJ friends. Wouldn't date her though. INFPs are a bit easier to date if they control their Fi or we develop a thick skin for it or develop some Te (and then make fun of it elsewhere).

      Generally, though I tend to shy away from neurotic (from the big 5 instrument) significant others.

    • August 2, 2015 9:27:45 AM PDT
    • I am ENTP, i think INFJ best match to each others than other types. I mostly have deep and longer relationship with INFJ.

    • June 24, 2015 8:31:46 PM PDT
    • Jessj1483--my dearest, oldest (and sometimes I think only) friend is an ENFP, too. That's interesting, isn't it? We have been best friends for 30 years now. :) And I was like you--always smack-talking and surrounded by guys. :) I don't think they ever quite knew what to think of me...female ENTP's are unusual and intriguing. Wish I'd known then what know now ;)

    • June 23, 2015 6:38:31 PM PDT
    • I like your puppy pic. Not anymore. Wait, I do again. Na, into cats now. Actually cats are a little too independant. Back to dogs. F*&* it, buying a farm now. Selling said farm as too much like hard work. Make a profit though! Buying a dog and a cat, and a hamster! #itshardbeingENTPattimes!

    • June 23, 2015 10:43:12 AM PDT
    • jessj1483 said:
      I may be a little late here, and this is undoubtedly more anecdotal than scientific, but when I was in college, I was always out--either at class, or the gym, or the bars (and, in true ENTP form, I was an undergrad for 7 years because I changed majors 4 times haha). But I would say to find an ENTP girl at a bar, go to a dive bar or a bar that has pool tables or darts or something competitive to do. At least for me, I love to compete and exercise my verbal skills by (playfully) berating whichever male felt like he was up to the challenge--never mean-spirited, just a fun battle of smack-talking wits. If he could stand up to it and dish it back just as well, he might have had a chance :). I think you could tell me apart from other girls because I was usually only with my one good girl friend (an ENFP :)) and a bunch of guy friends--who, in hindsight, were probably trying to get with one/either/both of us but my BFF wasn't interested/was just enjoying the attention and I was totally oblivious (Apparently what I perceive to be friendly and "joking around" behavior is perceived by others as flirting. Thankfully my Fe is more developed now then it was back then) Although, despite the fact that I was actually single, I guess the "being-surrounded-by-guys" thing probably made me seem unapproachable or taken.

      I just thought it was interesting that you said you changed your major 4 times. I have too... basically a lifelong undergrad student. Problem with being an ENTP....we like too many things.