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    • October 27, 2018 1:34:22 PM PDT
    • @Saityshell
      Haha, nice explanation of an INTJ there. We're like Ents from LOTR....if theres anything worth saying, it takes a long time.....or for an INTJ, if we're into all the stuff we're into, we've invested a lot of time into it all, so we're intensely into it. I've been told by quite a few NF girlfriends that I'm intimidating, but they like it because they accept that I read more (so they say).
      As for extinguishing your fire to make theirs appear brighter...as an INTJ, I'm just going to Intensely extinguish a fire with my intense water....but only if necessary, 'cause my fire is quite bright enough, thank you. :P :P

    • October 25, 2018 9:57:32 PM PDT
    • I honestly dont care if I intimidate a man, I wont tone it down for anyone. If they find me intimidating, I'm done. I want someone who will keep up. I enjoy being an INTJ. Yes I am intense, but I am also awesome. I'm fine being by myself, I can be happy that way, so I refuse to minimize my intensity so as not to scare someone off. The person who deserves to stand next to me does not want to extinguish my fire to make theirs appear brighter.

    • October 25, 2018 9:57:25 PM PDT
    • I honestly dont care if I intimidate a man, I wont tone it down for anyone. If they find me intimidating, I'm done. I want someone who will keep up. I enjoy being an INTJ. Yes I am intense, but I am also awesome. I'm fine being by myself, I can be happy that way, so I refuse to minimize my intensity so as not to scare someone off. The person who deserves to stand next to me does not want to extinguish my fire to make theirs appear brighter.

    • October 25, 2018 6:38:08 PM PDT
    • So afraid

    • October 23, 2018 8:17:26 PM PDT
    • Haha, that's why I said "charming Sheldon", to add to his personality the charming aspect of an INTJ. ;) Glad that Bernadette is spot on, but does that mean everyone is afraid of you in the workplace? "she sounds sexy when she's angry" ~Howard Wolowitz

    • October 23, 2018 6:44:22 PM PDT
    • I don't find Sheldon charming just over the top and annoying. But the Bernadette is spot on.

    • October 23, 2018 5:17:08 PM PDT
    • So, basically, if Bernadette (adorably mean) & a charming Sheldon (charmingly blunt) had a baby.....

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    • October 23, 2018 1:26:26 PM PDT
    • Its definitely harder to be an INTJ female and I'm a black INTJ female.Black unicorns. People don't know what to do with me or how to take me. Im adorably mean and charmingly blunt, if thats even a thing. And it doesn't help that I'm 4'10 and people like to pat me on the head for being cute. But when I open my mouth and actually speak they are shocked because they don't come across women like me everyday. I find it more amusing than offensive.

    • October 23, 2018 7:43:47 AM PDT
    • "When....the whole world tells you to move, your job is to plant yourself beside the river of truth and tell the whole world, 'no, you move'." ~Captain America

      That's kind of the INTJ motto for me. As far as an INTJ woman, society sucks. If you're not that social butterfly they want you to be, then you're the cold bitch. Funny how we have only a "this or that" situation....shallow society. I'm always in the "that" pile unless people are realists. That doesn't solve the social angst of an INTJ girl because they're different, but honestly, how do men see you? I mean, I see ENTJ/INTJ women as fun, cool, & smart. Not a floozy or cotton-headed whimsy or emotions-driven idiot that I cannot relate to mind, body, & soul. I find INTJ women elusive at the outset, but they are very loyal, perceptive, insightful, grounded, understanding, stable, & logical. Very good partner qualities. I mean, I feel worrying about understanding why you don't fit into society as you would like to tends to demean your personality & will simply be a problem until you die....the only way to fix it is push your comfort zones. Just my 2 cents worth....works in my life, though I'm still a social outcast. Just makes me appreciate those who appreciate me more. :D

      (Besides, it's established fact that being an INTJ woman is simply an anomaly. Most every INTJ woman can attest to this. They tended to not be like most girls growing up and stuck out like a sore thumb and still do, though they are very attractive and alluring to men. And valued by their closest friend....maybe 2 closest friends.)

    • October 23, 2018 7:31:31 AM PDT
    • @Monika123456
      LOL. I'm not saying you have problems showing emotions, I guess I'm saying more so relational to attraction to men. At least, that's been my experience with INTJ women because of shyness....it just doesn't come off the same way...if you saw how most women interact with me vs. how INTJ women interact with me, you'd understand. It's actually cuter how INTJ women are with me vs. other women.
      Who cares if you don't fit social molds as a woman? I mean, as a man, I don't "fit in" socially, though people like to talk to me and I tend to have lasting impact on lot's of people. I don't adjust to the crowd...I just stand like a rock and hope people don't stub too many toes on me. You're not the problem, lady. Being INTJ is unique....feels like a curse sometimes, but would you rather fit in or be true to yourself and your values/innate structure?

    • October 23, 2018 7:15:46 AM PDT
    • Do not be ridiculous, me as intj girl do not have any problems to show emotions, i have a problem to not show them; and well I am not going to adjust to crowd, I'm just saying my perspective as intj girl, I think it might be a problem to be one, but I never felt I want to solve it, it is like i should hit my head to the wall to be at the level of society.

    • October 23, 2018 7:02:26 AM PDT
    • @INTJDesertgirl
      This may sound sexist, but I've never seen a woman who can fully devote herself to being a fully focused "caring wife & mother" and a CEO. There's some sort of compromise. But that is also to say to what degree is the husband/father involved?

      I've seen long-term studies done on how a lot of high-achieving women are frustrated that they can't seem to land a man who is successful because said man does not want to compete with his wife or come home to the stress of her outside life....I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm saying what the studies have shown.

      It's becoming a similar phenomena to how the 30 million bachelors in China can't find wives because there aren't enough women in China due to the fact that Chinese population control limited parents to 2 children and parents were either abandoning their newborn daughters or giving them up for overseas adoption because a son would carry on the family name and was highly desirable. Strange consequences in cultural shifts these past 30-40years.

    • October 23, 2018 6:52:46 AM PDT
    • INTJ girls are unicorns: something rare, unique, & cool, but also rational and logical. Conversation & social skills tend to be something to work at. I just find myself content, though not always at ease, with realizing that there are some people I click with and some I don't, and treasure the ones that I can interact with in a deeper way. People usually lose me when I can't get any depth out of the conversation or out of their personality.

      "higher social skills". "fake politeness" I'd prefer genuine & willingness to contribute to the conversation & try to feign interest if you're really interested. I mean, the INTJ girls I've been friends with or the ENTJ I was with didn't do good with emotions but I could see their emotions and interest in their body language. INTJ girls don't purposely show their emotions but it seems to come out in other ways. As far as smarter, that depends the meaning of "smarter".

    • October 21, 2018 11:17:14 AM PDT
    • blackmaster, baby I mean just woman are even more expected in my opinion of course.. i assume that they are expected to have higher "social" skills.. and fake politeness.. well and I guess nobody likes when woman is much smarter than you.. and obviously when woman do not give a damn about partner's opinion.. it is not if your colleagues are males or females, my best friend is woman, i see her everyday in my bathroom

    • October 21, 2018 10:46:30 AM PDT
    • lol being a male Intj is even hard when 90% of your colleagues are females.

    • October 21, 2018 8:09:33 AM PDT
    • you can tell me everything, but yes it is hard to be intj, it is hard to lack social something.. and its even harder to be intj girl than intj male

    • June 17, 2018 5:29:49 PM PDT
    • I'm an INTJ, and an exceptionally strong scoring one. There were no iffy grounds on my MBTI testing scores.

      First, defining "hard" without context is a bit challenging. However, given the length of time that this post has existed, and the validity to the questions and content of answers, I may be able to provide some personal feedback.

      I have never had a relationship where my partner was not only intimidated by my personality, but also where the conflict of personality was the catalyst for ending the relationship, except for one, where the other party was an INTJ, in which we were essentially a power couple but too competitive within the constraints of our individual rather than collective visions.

      In hindsight, my string of relationships was as such:
      ENFP, ISTJ, ISFJ, INTJ, INFP, INFP, ENFJ, ISFP, ISTP, ISFJ.

      What failed me in romantic partner relationships has imbued my success in career fields. My driving dedication and non-stop work and solution mentality, ability to be objective at all times (especially under duress or changeable circumstances), adaptability, and vision were welcome in the work force. I just wish these strengths were valued as much in a personal romantic relationship.

      I agree that gender roles, particularly in westernized culture, condone a particular mindset as to what a woman with INTJ type of characteristics is meant for. Media especially typifies this type of woman as being cold, heartless, cunning, and cruel 'bitch', whereas the typical girl next door with the bubbly smile, extroversion of a cheerleader, sympathetically flowing vocabulary, and emotions to make Cary Grant cry like a baby is relished with enthusiasm. Which thus feeds into the social stigma, making it that much more of a challenge for those of us INTJ females.

      I'd also like to point out the same is conversely true for INFJ males. I have a brother who is an INFJ, and also scored very strongly on the MBTI (no 50/50 scoring here). Over the years I have watched experience repeatedly a similar challenge to the gender and social role typing. He is a microbiologist and can appear to be very analytical because of the strong NJ combination. However, he is acutely aware of the person-person dynamics and when conflict arises it can be debilitating to him. Society seems to ignore these perceived outliers that do not allow male INFJ's and female INTJ's the flexibility to express themselves without ridicule or misunderstanding.

      I'd love to see some media express a positive, healthy INTJ female as also being a nurturing mother, caring wife, and politically powerful CEO of a company. Let that sink in. How often do we see the role of a female CEO of a company with all of those characteristics?

      Just because female INTJ's may come across with a particular emotional or intellectual stance, does not mean that we are smarter or less sensitive than others. It just means that there are less of us that experience stimuli in the same way as that of the majority, and as such, those that are in the majority will try to use their quantifiers to define how they perceive the INTJ female. Can you imagine a male ESFP trying to define a female INTJ? Or perhaps an ISTJ trying to define an INFP male?

      At the end of the day, perspectives of the majority will be the perspectives trying to set the definitions for those that are in the minority. Because there are very few INTJ females (and INFJ males), how we are perceived through an MBTI, or whatever named personality test, will be interpreted by those that have written the rules for interpretation. My question is...what personality type wrote those rules? Unless they were an INTJ, I am inclined to doubt the observations were objective enough to truly and realistically be able to approach the data without a society bias that would be exemplified.

      For those INTJ parents with INTJ children, THANK YOU FOR EXISTING! :)

    • September 30, 2018 11:15:02 AM PDT
    • Hello TooGeek2Bchic,
      I disagree with your postulate. I have not read all of the other thoughts written by other users. so sorry if this repeat of any of the above - Here is my position on your postulate:
      1. Humans through the collective ingenuity of numerous individual people seeking the same goal, with the support of varying entities, government, corporations, etc (regardless of intent being to one-up) sent human to moon, and they walked on it. The moon is really far away, think about what was mastered by humanity to allow that to happen.
      2. There are advances that are completely shifting the social dynamics and interactions of people across the globe with the planet, acknowledging still some bad decisions being made.
      3. Humans have and will continue to adapt and evolve.
      4. Biology and nature require we evolve, at least that is my understanding of science thus far. (i am not scientist). just like the flu shot changes a bit each year.
      5. It is not too late for all the alpha males of the world to decide they better approach decisions with more thought, perhaps consulting INTJ females would be simple start. What do they have to lose you say, access to females is easy answer, and their weakness on many levels. Behind every alpha is a posse of betas- ready to take the reins. Nature will keep a balance.
      6. Just like going to moon was challenge to humanity, if we listen to Abraham Lincoln... we can decide the thing that shall be done, we shall find a way. It takes time, but they got it dobe.
      7. Examples of human change not related to science, moon, are acceptance of people of other people, race, sexual orientations, etc... are we where we need to be, absolutely not, but I know life better in US for most people than it was 100 years ago.
      8. Education, empowering people to understand, life is hard, life even sucks, but that does not mean they can ruin life for others, teaching people to be content not being or striving for limelight, nothing wrong with average, their are many facets of “full potential” nothing wrong with full range of humanity. it is simple matter to organize society(ies) to address the anticipated failures, and human needs of everyone, and I mean everyone. Which includes establishing universal and clear boundaries of tolerable/not tolerable human behavior. Do we forgive people for mistakes or dont we?
      9. I have three children, I have a responsibility to them, and to myself, and world, that I will do everything in my power to work toward helping world be a better place, for good of all. In my mind, that means sharing my view of better way if safe opportunity presents itself to do so.
      10. No one knows what the future holds, no one. That said, I understand completely why you provided the view you provided, it is logical result of current state, as you explained. But just because a person says something, doesnt make it true. If that true, then I think my view of future for humanity would be view most people would prefer. and as Lincoln said...
      11. Determine that the thing can and shall be done and then we shall find a way! I hope we all work to find better way.

    • May 8, 2018 8:07:45 AM PDT
    • Well, if they do indeed exist and we can actually interact with them..... then I agree wholeheartedly!
      The multiverse theory is interesting to say the least. The possibilities would be virtually limitless. :-)

    • September 20, 2018 7:28:59 AM PDT
    • No. Which is why I'm here.

    • June 13, 2018 7:51:06 PM PDT
    • When we talk to ourselves.. voice in head.. we always portray ourselves as either the hero.. or a victim. Listen to yourself a bit. When you go through situations.. i find i grew up and liked tgat donny darko weird side and went a bit rebelish and it nurtured a bit into my personality. I have what my ex wife called.. a resting bitchface.. means my happy face.. having a good time, looks grrr.. lol i think we obsorb identity and u id with sad music. Maybe connect in a romantic way with the pain. I id'd with darker side and now look like im giving you the 9yard staredown just before i snog your face and lick your chinbone.... not an exact answer but like.. guided ourdrlves into prevrencrs

    • April 26, 2018 6:02:40 PM PDT
    • I've somehow managed to meet 3 different INTJ women. We only went on a few dates each though. I liked them all, but they didn't like me back that way. One INTJ'd me by over-analyzing our connection early on, which was pretty poetic, haha.

    • April 26, 2018 5:41:54 PM PDT
    • I've always been a huge procrastinator, and it hasn't gotten much better. The best advice I can give is to make to-do lists, of smaller subtasks. Checking them off feels great. Only budget 50% of the time you think you have available though because other things will come up and then you'll always feel behind.

      I recommend checking out Industrial Engineering. It's all about analysis and optimization. It seems perfect for our personality type.