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    • September 5, 2018 5:18:33 AM PDT
    • Here is a very readable book review of Merve Emre’s “The Personality Brokers” (Doubleday) -- the story of how the MBTI fell to earth. ( https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/10/what-personality-tests-really-deliver )

    • October 2, 2017 10:35:33 AM PDT
    • Y'all need to read this.

      http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

    • September 3, 2017 2:03:24 PM PDT
    • Let me pick up on another distinction. I maintain that MBTI is unscientific, but even some scientific theories come with built-in imprecision (e.g., ε, δ.) So, in a heuristic sense, are MBTI types accurate enough? I'd say no.

      One of the ironies of MBTI is that so many people feel validated that they belong to a type, yet insist that they are exceptions within their own type – often, “on a cusp", like I/E. This should be a warning sign. For example, we can find the Jungian function pairs Ne/Si + Fe/Ti and their associated behaviors in four types – ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, ISFJ – though obviously in meaningfully different orders. These temperaments are clearly not the same.

      We all use all eight function/attitudes at one time or another, so we can all find real-life experiences consistent with our assigned types. A better application of Jung's or M-B's framework is to understand that we all do this, so let's try and connect with whichever ones you and I are using here and now.

    • September 3, 2017 2:00:57 PM PDT
    • @Techie1, see my August 23, 2017 post at http://www.projectevolove.com/forums/topic/415/on-the-cusp/view/post_id/4231 .

    • August 6, 2017 10:08:53 PM PDT
    • Soloread - while you say these others are not refereed journals, at one time Psychology Today was not, either. However, the articles that were posted by Frodr are good articles that are to a large degree "busting" some of the more false info spread about MBTI - such as the use of handwriting analysis - which has never been part of MBTI to my knowledge. I would have thought Isabel Meyers-Briggs would have mentioned it in her book, or David Kiersey would have mentioned it in his.

      MBTI was used during WWII to help place people into career types that would "suit" them. It had a good degree of success in that arena, from what I am to understand. As well, there is a definite tendency for certain types to gravitate to certain careers - NTs, for example, have a tendency to gravitate towards careers in technology, and particularly into the hard sciences.

      One thing that struck me that INTJandHSP pointed out was that the basic assumption by MBTI was that according to the 4 dimensions of the MBTI, each would have to have a more or less bimodal distribution to make this true. However, most things in the world are not according to a bimodal distribution. Point taken that most things fall under a gaussian distribution (bell curve). I have no counter argument to make on that account.

      Though, while the MBTI may have problems, again, psychology is also still a very young science. Few things in psych are very well defined. There aren't all that many hard and fast rules. For me, I wouldn't necessarily take MBTI as absolute. There's plenty of variation within type. However, there are more than enough truisms. And I have found the MBTI to be a fantastic communication tool - if nothing else - a starting point, at least, for understanding the motivations of others.

    • August 6, 2017 10:08:50 PM PDT
    • Soloread - while you say these others are not refereed journals, at one time Psychology Today was not, either. However, the articles that were posted by Frodr are good articles that are to a large degree "busting" some of the more false info spread about MBTI - such as the use of handwriting analysis - which has never been part of MBTI to my knowledge. I would have thought Isabel Meyers-Briggs would have mentioned it in her book, or David Kiersey would have mentioned it in his.

      MBTI was used during WWII to help place people into career types that would "suit" them. It had a good degree of success in that arena, from what I am to understand. As well, there is a definite tendency for certain types to gravitate to certain careers - NTs, for example, have a tendency to gravitate towards careers in technology, and particularly into the hard sciences.

      One thing that struck me that INTJandHSP pointed out was that the basic assumption by MBTI was that according to the 4 dimensions of the MBTI, each would have to have a more or less bimodal distribution to make this true. However, most things in the world are not according to a bimodal distribution. Point taken that most things fall under a gaussian distribution (bell curve). I have no counter argument to make on that account.

      Though, while the MBTI may have problems, again, psychology is also still a very young science. Few things in psych are very well defined. There aren't all that many hard and fast rules. For me, I wouldn't necessarily take MBTI as absolute. There's plenty of variation within type. However, there are more than enough truisms. And I have found the MBTI to be a fantastic communication tool - if nothing else - a starting point, at least, for understanding the motivations of others.

    • August 4, 2017 1:00:32 PM PDT
    • Everything that @INTJandHSP writes here is true. There are strong theories and weak theories (for which questions of validity, reliability, self-reporting problems, predictive value, etc. are germane,) but nonfalsifiable theories (his #4) are unscientific -- pure & simple. ... btw, 16personalities and celebritytypes do not qualify as peer-reviewed scientific authorities.

    • August 4, 2017 11:05:46 AM PDT
    • @INTJandHSP Then I ought to assume you also included cognitive function theory in your analysis - or were you merely sticking with the test provided with its vague/unrealiable summaries such as these https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types

      I pressume you are also well familiar with the these.
      http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2014/02/mbti-for-skeptics/
      http://www.psychologyjunkie.com/2015/07/23/debunking-the-major-arguments-against-the-mbti/

    • August 4, 2017 4:58:04 AM PDT
    • ^Also, it's clear that MBTI fails as a tool for hiring employees, but then we're ignoring the fact that MBTI has other uses too: E.g.: self-exploration and I do feel like MBTI is a good tool for that, even if FA found some issues with that. In conclusion, as a scientist myself, I concede that MBTI is not a scientific tool and that is should not be used as such, but that is no problem to me because there already is a tool that meets the reliability and validity requirements (The Big Five personality tool), which is why I view MBTI as nothing else but an imperfect tool for self-exploration. Regarding the horoscopes, anyone with familiar with MBTI knows that it is nothing like horoscopes, so I wouldn't pay attention to that.

    • August 4, 2017 4:57:29 AM PDT

    • 6) There is evidence that ambiversion is a real, which is a concept that MBTI rejects as you're either I or E. This non-dimensional way of measuring personality traits is a problem because really nothing works like that; There is always some overlap between two opposing factors (e.g.: hot vs cold: where does cold transition into hot?) and most people of the overall population should be in this overlapping zone because the population can be described with Bell curve for spectral traits like I-E. This overlapping zone would be ambiversion in the context of MBTI.

      Altogether, there are definitely legitimate concerns from a scientific standpoint, but from my years of experience with MBTI, I feel that outsiders are too quick to generalize the Forer effect onto MBTI as I do think that MBTI type descriptions are detailed enough. Also, it's clear that MBTI fails as a tool for hiring employees, but then we're ignoring the fact that MBTI has other uses too: E.g.: self-exploration and I do feel like MBTI is a good tool for that, even if FA found some issues with that. In conclusion, as a scientist myself, I concede that MBTI is not a scientific tool and that is should not be used as such, but that is no problem to me because there already is a tool that meets the reliability and validity requirements (The Big Five personality tool), which is why I view MBTI as nothing else but an imperfect tool for self-exploration. Regarding the horoscopes, anyone with familiar with MBTI knows that it is nothing like horoscopes, so I wouldn't pay attention to that.

    • April 15, 2018 6:10:02 AM PDT
    • I'd have to agree and partially disagree with the two types I looked at, based on my own anecdotal evidence.

      Firstly, after dating the epitome of an ISTJ, I mostly agree. Although, I wouldn't put it in such a negative light. I found her very logical explanations to be endearing and refreshing from the all to frequent illogical arguments present in the world. She was definitely not "empty inside", just too sensible to take any uncertain risks in life.

      Secondly (and of course), I disagreed with some of the INTJ section. Yes, we stay in the shadows a lot of the time and try not to let our shortcomings see the light of day, but letting someone else take the fall isn't, at least, in my nature. What's right is right. If I were to describe an INTJ in a bad light, I'd focus more on our arrogance.

      Also, adding Karl Rove to the list of INTJ's felt especially insulting, so props to them on that: mission accomplished.

    • March 3, 2018 6:17:36 PM PST
    • So this actually happened to me. I was in the library while my school was on lockdown due to a that happened right beside campus, which resulted in a guy with a hand gun running around campus, and I was stuck with my ENTJ and INFJ guy friends. The ENTJ reverted to panic and peeing his pants, the INFJ was promising to shield the both of us, and I (ENTP) kept cracking jokes about getting shot. I know this is a sensitive topic for America right now, but who would I be if I wasn't into crude humor.

    • February 25, 2018 10:01:59 PM PST
    • Thanks for the share Ssak, that was a very funny read.

    • February 24, 2018 3:01:31 PM PST
    • I can really relate to this. Maybe it's social anxiety or social awkwardness, I just don't know how to make friends outside of the classroom. Even when we talk about personal things, it seems like it's only a school friendship. Same in highschool. I guess I just don't know how to make friends. Maybe others can relate. It seems like i am so weird but i know there's others our there like myself.

    • February 23, 2018 10:08:55 AM PST
    • @nicoloco90 ,
      can you relate? :)

    • February 23, 2018 9:56:44 AM PST
    • Yeap, I know that :) The thing about INTJs, as you probably know, is that other types often demonize you because of your superpower (tsss, so nobody hears about it...) :)

      All in all, INTJs are described quite merciful in that article, - when "descriptions" of other types are total black trash! :) Take about us INFJs for example: "when INFJs bite, they never let go"!

      Here is some cute stuff to sweeten the pill - MBTI in cats:
      http://personalitygrowth.com/the-myers-briggs-cat-edition/

    • February 22, 2018 9:48:50 PM PST
    • Lol just because INTJs are not as emotional as others and are sneaky.. and don’t admit to any wrong-doing.. doesn’t make us evil!

    • February 19, 2018 2:48:54 PM PST
    • Hey guys,
      want to share with you one hilarious article which I got from my ISTJ friend (and who would say that ISTJs have no sense of humour, after such?) :)

      It's a bit of a harsh parody on all 16 types, and I'd really like people of ALL types to comment, how true it may sound to you :)

      https://zombiesintelligently.com/non-fiction/myers-briggs/

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    • August 23, 2017 1:07:51 PM PDT
    • Officer: What was the color of that traffic signal when you drove across the line to enter the intersection?
      Driver: I think it was green.
      Officer: Are you sure?
      Driver: I'm 75% confident.
      Officer: Well, there are only two lamps in that signal. One's green and the other's red. They can't be dimmed and the colors don't mix. There's exactly one lamp lit at any time, and the green one is not lit 75% of the time. So, what color was the signal when you entered the intersection?
      Driver: I guess I don't know.
      Officer: That is the correct answer.